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Recently I discovered a faster way home from just my personal experience and knowledge of the area. After doing this for a few months, I’m starting to notice a lot more drivers on my route home. All of the drivers on this route are all going to the same main busy road that I’m going to and just using backroads like me.</p>

<p>Is it possible that Waze noticed my driving habits and now uses it for other users since it’s faster?</p>

<p>If so, what can I do to prevent Waze from doing this? I don’t want this route to get crowded like the freeway I was originally trying to avoid.</p>

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<p>Is it possible that Waze noticed my driving habits and now uses it for other users since it’s faster?</p>
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<p>That is what Waze does - it analyzes traffic patterns and tries to route people along the best routes.  It does this by collecting traffic data from its users while you drive.  It is probable Waze hasn't started recommending this route just because of you, but undoubtedly your driving pattern was a signal in its analysis.</p>

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<p>If so, what can I do to prevent Waze from doing this?</p>
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<p>You would have to stop using Waze.  However, it is already too late.  If Waze is routing people along this route then they are just going to provide the data which goes into its calculation to recommend the route and will continue to recommend it till it is no longer optimal to do so.</p>

<p>I suppose you could do what this person did by <a href="https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/hack-creates-fake-google-maps-traffic-jams-with-99-cell-phones/">dragging 99 cell phones connected to Waze in a wagon</a> to simulate a traffic jam.</p>
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<p>what can I do to prevent Waze from doing this?</p>
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<p>Practically, put your phone in airplane mode when driving your "secret route".</p>
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<p>You showed Waze a faster way to get somewhere that other drivers are also going. Now it knows and other drivers get handed that route when it's faster for them.</p>

<p>You solution is to not run Waze while driving routes you find clever.</p>
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<p>It surprises me every day that I log in to Waze and it's still a separate app.</p>
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<p>I  have no clue why Google keeps it</p>
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<p>Google is an advertising company.</p>

<p>Waze users give away their static locations and travel routes to Google.</p>

<p>Google saves that info.</p>

<p>Google can then sell more expensive ads by having a more reliable profile of the user for ad-matching.</p>

<p>"law" enforcement can also then subpoena Google's data to draw inferences about the user when looking (possibly mistakenly) for a perp.</p>

<p>No thanks.</p>
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<p>Waze is super niche comparing to Maps which is basically go-to maps application globally (with some local exceptions)</p>

<p>Waze has no feature that would be missing from Maps</p>

<p>The only reason I see Waze didn't land on google graveyard is that, with google maps development, keeping Waze's maintenance to minimal level would be very limited effort. And, for some reason, they sometimes like to keep multiple apps with almost the same purpose (e.g. meet, duo, hangouts.</p>
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<p>Google wants to generally route people by businesses who purchase map ads and have an interest shared with or might serve a (google-determined) need of the map user.</p>

<p>People who want the fastest route probably are not going to stop at a business along the way, unless it is private health care, and even then, likely not.</p>
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<p>If it recognises a faster route it will give it to a subset of users to trial out.</p>

<p>It will also "sacrifice" some drivers to traffic to check if it's still there..</p>
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<p>In short: yes they do because that's how Waze works. You give them your route data to improve their algorithms and routing, in turn you get efficient and good routes.</p>

<p>If you don't want that: don't use Waze. But since other people using waze are now using this route aswell it doesn't matter anyways since as long as at least someone uses that route it will get recommended. So...there's nothing you can do to get your route back to yourself.</p>
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<p>Imagine yourself being Waze. You earn money by giving other people navigation services. You own all data. Some people constantly finding new routes for you. Some guy (you) has found a new route which was added to the system like 'New route'. What would you do?</p>

<p>I'd show some % users this 'beta' route, then check their times and comfort using it. If they use it again, I'd scale this test and show route to more users. If it works good I'd scale it to the max. I see your route as income. I'd take it as it belongs to me.</p>

<p>In my understanding it works something like this</p>

<p>It's the same what other companies do with their data. I know cool new girl on the Facebook who joined a week ago. Few moments later she's being recommended to my friends. I found new brilliant YouTube channel that no one knows, few moments later it's boosted by algorithms and getting famous. New games on Steam, new music on Spotify etc.</p>
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<p>The privacy concern is whether someone can type in your name somewhere and view this particular info. A perfectly private map routing app will still use your route and real time position to plot traffic for everyone else, otherwise it couldn't work.</p>

<p>Your route might not have been mapped before, but since you're using it, the algorithm plotted it as valid eventually. There's a commercial building in my town with a gateless parking lot that cuts like 5 mins of traffic if you cross it. Maps actually assumes that thing is a valid street and plots through it, even if it's clearly invalid.</p>
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<p>If so, what can I do to prevent Waze from doing this?</p>
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<p>You can't, not when you use tracking malware to navigate yourself around. No way in hell you actually thought using Waze was a good idea.</p>

<p>Do you drive home from the same place every day? If so, WTF do you need a GPS for in the first place?</p>
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<p>(for example where I live there's the main route that's fast and efficient, you can go around it and add 20mins to an otherwise 5min journey using that part of the route. But every once in a while accidents happen and you're gonna get stuck for at least an hour.)</p>
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<p>So good luck to the 100 suckers after me then</p>
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If time to delete map app ?</p>
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<p>You had an option not to use the app / service.</p>
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