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  <p>John Jeremiah Sullivan is a contributing writer at the <em>New York Times Magazine</em> and has written for <em>Harper's</em>, <em>The New Yorker</em>, and <em>GQ</em>. He is the author of <em>Pulphead</em> and the forthcoming <em>The Prime Minister of Paradise: The True Story of a Lost American History</em>.</p>
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<p></p><blockquote>“I don’t think we have the luxury as journalists of avoiding things because people might say bad things about us. I don’t even think we have the luxury of avoiding things because we might get fired. I don’t think we have the luxury of avoiding them because somebody might cancel some sort of public speech that we have. I then have to ask you, what are you in it for? Like, why did you come here? Did you come here just to make a living? Because there are many other things where you could make more money.”</blockquote><p></p>

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<p></p><blockquote>“At some point, you have to kick it out the door, and it’s never finished to the degree that you would finish a magazine piece. But it, in some ways, is more interesting because it is produced in a short amount of time, and it’s read as something that is not supposed to be complete. It’s just meant to provoke or to provide thought or whatever, to provide some sort of context on a certain issue or not. And I actually like that a lot better than the magazine writing. I respect the magazine writers—obviously, I was one—but for my disposition now, in my lifestyle, I actually enjoy having to produce this thing every week.”</blockquote><p></p>
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<li><button class="js-podcast-notes-time" title="Jump to 35:00">35:00</button> <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/jay-caspian-kang" target="_blank">Kang’s <em>VICE</em> archive</a></li>
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<li><button class="js-podcast-notes-time" title="Jump to 08:00">08:00</button> <a href="https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fbi-s-encrypted-phone-platform-infiltrated-hundreds-criminal-syndicates-result-massive" target="bank">"FBI’s Encrypted Phone Platform Infiltrated Hundreds of Criminal Syndicates; Result is Massive Worldwide Takedown"</a> (U.S. Attorney’s Office, Southern District of California • Jun 2021) </li>

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<li><button class="js-podcast-notes-time" title="Jump to 38:00">38:00</button> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/?sh=35b2249eadf7" target="bank">"Follow The Bitcoins: How We Got Busted Buying Drugs on Silk Road’s Black Market"</a> (Andy Greenberg • Forbes • Sep 2013) </li>

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  <p>PJ Vogt is the host of <a href="https://www.searchengine.show/"><em>Search Engine</em>.</a></p>
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<blockquote>“Once you've gotten used to this kind of metabolism, it can be hard to walk away from it. Ordinary life can be a little flat sometimes. And so that's always kind of built in. I accept that. I think I've just tried to be more honest about like, [am I taking this risk] because I need a bump my life? Or do you really believe in what you're doing? And I feel like I really do need to believe in the purpose of the story. There has to be some motivation greater than myself."</blockquote>

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<blockquote>“It’s one thing to hear about this tactic and hear about parents being questioned in this way. It’s another thing entirely to hear the change in a parent’s voice when they realize for the past 20 minutes they’ve been speaking ill of a relative who’s actually been dead the entire time, and to hear that wave of grief and sometimes that feeling of betrayal that cropped up in their voice and how the way that they spoke to the officers afterwards changed.”</blockquote>

<p><em>This is the fourth in a week-long series of conversations with winners of this year's <a href="https://liu.edu/polk">George Polk Awards in Journalism</a>.</em></p>

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  <p>Meribah Knight is a reporter with Nashville Public Radio. She won the Polk Award for Podcasting for <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-kids-of-rutherford-county">“The Kids of Rutherford County,”</a> produced with <em>ProPublica</em> and <em>Serial</em>, which revealed a shocking approach to juvenile discipline in one Tennessee county.</p>

<blockquote>“Where does it leave me? It leaves me with a searing anger that is going to propel me to the next thing. But we’ve made some real improvement. And that’s worth celebrating. That’s worth recognizing and saying, <em>This work matters, people are paying attention</em>.”</blockquote>

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<blockquote>“You can imagine this having never become a problem, because it’s so weird. What a weird scam. <em>I’m going to print and sell tens of thousands of paper license plates.</em> But someone figured it out. And then a lot more people followed. It just exploded.”</blockquote>

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<blockquote>“One of the best takeaways I got from seven or eight years at <em>Vice</em> is that it’s not enough for something to be important when you’re figuring out how to make a story. It’s the intersection of important and interesting. And that has taught me that people will watch anything, anywhere, as long as it’s interesting. Nobody owes us their time. The onus is on us to explain things in an interesting, compelling way. I’m hoping that a landscape opens up somewhere else that sees that and understands that can be done anywhere in the world.”</blockquote>
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<p></p><blockquote>“I have never lived in a city that was not wrapped in highways. It’s hard for me to imagine anything else. And I think that’s true for a lot of people today. ... [But] we have known since the origins of the interstate highways program that building highways through cities doesn’t fix traffic. And yet we keep doing it. To me, that really fueled a lot of the book. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.”</blockquote><p></p>

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<p></p><blockquote>“I am an inveterate dilettante. I lose interest in subjects all the time. Because what I find interesting about my job is the invitation to solve mysteries. And once you solve one, two, three mysteries in a space, then the meta-mystery of that space begins to dim. And all these other subjects—that's the new unlit space that needs the flashlight. And that's the part of the job that I love the most: that there are so many dark corners in the world. And I've just got this flashlight, and I can just shine it wherever the hell I want.”</blockquote><p></p>

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  <p>Patricia Evangelista is a trauma journalist whose coverage of the drug war in the Philippines has appeared in <em>Rappler</em>, <em>Esquire</em>, and elsewhere. Her recent book is <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/612869/some-people-need-killing-by-patricia-evangelista/"><em>Some People Need Killing: A Memoir of Murder in My Country</em></a>.</p>

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